Match Report 16/10/05
Marienlyst – Lyngby
3-0, 25-21, 31-29, 25-12
Not a pretty affair in Marienlystcentret yesterday when Lyngby came by for an afternoon match. The newspaper article pretty much sums up the atmosphere and the effort from our side: uninspired.
However, we did come out of the match with two points in the account and there were a few things worth mentioning.
The problem with yesterday’s match was not the level of the volleyball. Of course the level was too low, and we made too many mistakes, but the problem is that for most of the match we didn’t really seem to care. In fact, I’m a little disappointed that we didn’t lose the second set, maybe that would have forced us to wake up. If we are supposed to be one of the so-called “top teams” then we need to be able to use all of our time on the court to our advantage and if we don’t feel threatened as far as winning or losing then we need to take it upon ourselves to be motivated. All of that is easier said than done.
Anyways, some notes from the match:
One of the positive things we can take out of this match is that Jesper Hansen didn’t play, BT has been hurt all week and we were still in control of the match most of the time. I’m glad to see that we have a deep enough bench that we can use everyone and still win.
Someone turned Nathan on in the third set. I don’t know what happened but he turned his game up a few notches and it was impressive.
I think Lyngby made a good decision by bringing in some young talent. They have a future if they continue to develop. At the moment though, they aren’t good enough to talk shit.
Generally I’m a fan of Lyngby and the way that they play. I also like the fact that they enjoy their time on the court. But, the “Moose” cheer is one of the worst cheers I have ever seen. I know everyone over there will hate me for saying that but I don’t care. Yelling out, “Moose, moose!” just sounds ridiculous. Can anyone tell me what the story is?
Overall, this was just a bad match. I can understand if no one who saw that match ever comes back to see another volleyball match in their life. Hopefully we can turn that around and do a better job this week against Holte and Aalborg. Exciting to see who is playing for Holte tomorrow, I guess it could be anyone…
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Ya well the story about the moose is as stupid as the cheer it self.
As anything that sticks from the old days its basically related to some situations where alkohol was in the picture, and basically ppl realised that a full grown moose would be perfect in the block due to its horns (dont try to understand it).
And as our team got better the older we got, it was clear the the older you were the better you blocked (due to the bigger horns).
Then people began to get "moose road signs" from sweden, and there is quite a few more stories about this.
I Personally like it in many situations, especially in foreign countries where we translate it, nothing beats going to a swede to say "Ni har blet Elgat".
Another fun story was from last season where we played Dhg, and their young middle player obviously didnt understand what we said, so at one point he blocked us went up to the net facing us and began shouting "I har Lus".
Again, Lyngby is 100% Amateurs - even the coaches get less money in a year than many of our opponents gets in one month. (a Coach normally gets 2500 for a season, and quite a few of our coaches gets 0 kr a season).
Our Amateur club plays agains clubs on a whole other level moneyvise, and being a consistent 5-6 is a very good achivement when looking at the difference in player material, Money and Traning.
As for the cheers i have a harder time getting why my womens team insist on doing a "dance routine" when they make a Ace. :)
ciao
/William
Ahhh, moose horns. A good point indeed.
I heard about the "Lus" incident. But you can't really fault a player with such inexperience...
I would love to hear more about what people think about the "professional" against "amateur" debate. ("quotes" because I still find it hard to think of myself as a full professional). In the next few days I think I'll write something about the subject.
Also, I wanted to mention what you wrote about in Portugal with the referees. Do you think that it is something that we should all just live with? That a referee is just going to give some points to the home team? I mean, I think we are at a point that I can say without being hysterical that in the CEV matches there are just going to be some calls for the home team that cannot be explained. But I have a hard time thinking about it conceptually in my head. It is very much an unspoken rule but should it be that way? We might as well just start matches 3-0 to the home team. Anyways, it just made me angry to see that something like that could decide a match for you guys down there.
short note about the referees.
I cant really blame the main referees for anything, they did a fine job.
It was the ones who were at the lines calling if its in or out.
The main referee overruled 3 or 4 calls in that game alone so we got the point as we should. but obviously wasnt sure in the 3 situations we got stolen the points.
So there i would prefer just to have the 2 referees as we have in denmark. They make mistakes like anyone, but they are not partial.
As for the pro/am discussion i simply tried to point out that the options and ambitions vary a lot.
In the old days there were 8 teams in the Elitedivision, which i am still in favor of.
If we want a sport that should grow as a spectator/television sport, we need as many good games with high level as we can. And i think that requires fewer teams than there is right now. (ill probly get flamed for saying that).
/William
Why would anyone flame you for saying that. It is by no means a controversial claim that Danish volleyball do not have the amount of good players to make 10 strong teams. At least not at the moment. I believe that that particular change is about to happen next season.
Do not forget the amount of training that many of the Lyngby-players have from previous seasons. Even though the impact of training may be greater when concentrated, you still learn throughout the years and gain from your experiences.
I have to say that with the talent, experience and almost unparrallelled consistency in the squad that the mens team in Lyngby has been able to master, 5-7 is not extraordinary. Or so it seems to me. It is definitely not a team an ambitious club in the lower half of the table feel they can afford to loose against. But that is merely due to your ambitions (or apparent lack of such), rather than a genuinely reflected estimate of court hegemony.
Best regards
Kristoffer, Holte
As for consistency i agree, the core of the team has played together in Lyngby since around 1990.
The ambitions never had problems but our Private jobs and sparetime allways had a higher priority.
And we did realise that by training 1 to 3 times a week you wont make it (and shouldnt) to a medal.
but ive stopped playing so i better let someone from the team talk about ambitions :)
As for teams then i enjoy watching a game between any of Gentofte,Marienlyst,Middelfart, Sk Århus and Ålborg becasue they simply play another kind of volleyball than the rest, and i would like a situation where all Elite matches are of that quality.
/William
Oh I agree wholeheartedly. There is no doubt that the elite needs to be shaved down to eight teams (at the most). I also thought that I heard this is going to happen within the next year or two...
As for money, I think there are big differences between having money and doing something productive with it. If you look at two different team models over the past few years - Marienlyst and Middelfart then you can see the difference in how money gets used. It's not enough to just "buy" some players, having money doesn't necessarily translate to making good results...
William, I also think it is slightly misleading to say that there is a huge difference between your club and others. I am speaking from a point of ignorance, so correct me if I am wrong, but there isn't a big difference between a club like Gentofte and Lyngby as far as money goes. The difference is in the ambition and the training of players. There are enough good Danish players in the Copenhagen area to create a strong team and that has nothing to do with money. I would say that getting a consistent 5-6 IS a good achievement in Lyngby, with little training and ambition it is impressive. As far as money goes, it is a factor, but I believe it isn't as big of a factor as some make it out to be. Of course, I'm more sensitive about this subject than most...
I think this year there are more teams at the same level than last year: everybody knows that Gentofte, Marienlyst, Middelfart and Ålborg can play a good volley; may be we (SK Århus) can too but I don't think we are at the same level at the moment.
You were talking about club's money, how to get profits from, ecc. ecc. Well, I personally think the first think which has to be professionalized is the Federation itself.
I don't know what you think about it.
Cheers
Diego
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